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(Message started by: dragsamou on Dec 20th, 2003, 5:26pm)

Title: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Dec 20th, 2003, 5:26pm

Hi Ralph.
Would it be possible to add the 22 Crazy Clowns Tokens from the 6th and 7th Series corresponding at:

Accidentally,  this layer was applied to the backside of some sixth and seventh series token cards, thereby causing complete sixth and seventh series token sets with reversed foil layers to exist.

Thanks to let us know.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by Ralph Herold on Dec 20th, 2003, 6:06pm

Do I understand you correctly that you wish me to add scans of the reversed layer token cards? The problem is that the difference can not be seen on scans, so showing the cards twice does not help very much.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Dec 20th, 2003, 6:15pm


on 12/20/03 at 18:06:25, Ralph Herold wrote:
Do I understand you correctly that you wish me to add scans of the reversed layer token cards? The problem is that the difference can not be seen on scans, so showing the cards twice does not help very much.

Hi Ralph.
I just sent Scans to Bigfatkitty,there's a Huge difference showing on the Scans.I just sent you an E-Mail,have a look  :)

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by bigfatkitty on Dec 21st, 2003, 4:38am

What he's talking about has nothing to do with the glossy side of the card.  It seems there's a light and dark version of each of these.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Dec 21st, 2003, 9:53am


on 12/21/03 at 04:38:01, bigfatkitty wrote:
What he's talking about has nothing to do with the glossy side of the card. It seems there's a light and dark version of each of these.

Hi Bigfatkitty.
I just talk to another Member collecting Minagishi,looks like we have few more mysteries to solved,since there
are different 3 kinds existing so far,that I understand:
-Clear front/Glossy back.
-Dark Front/Glossy Back.
-Clear Front/Non Glossy Back.
-Dark Front/Non Glossy Back ?
If someone can confirm about the Dark Front/Clear Back
that will be great.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by silver.paladin on Dec 21st, 2003, 9:30pm

I do have a question about these tokens now.
Are you certain these are all true Crazy Clown produced cards, and not very good fakes?
A short while ago, Ralph had posted that he had spoke or emailed with Aria, or someone at Crazy Clowns.  Is he, or someone else able to communicate with C.C.s and confirm if they had problems in their printing runs or not?
Since Crazy Clowns had a much smaller printing run then WoTC, then I would imagine that they would have been able to keep a much closer eye on the condition of their tokens.
With so many fakes appearing, and all of a sudden so many tokens coming out of Singapore, I would really have to question the validity of these tokens, and think some kind of confirmation with C.C.s should be made before too much discussion or thoughts are made on these tokens.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Dec 21st, 2003, 10:59pm


on 12/21/03 at 21:30:30, silver.paladin wrote:
I do have a question about these tokens now.
Are you certain these are all true Crazy Clown produced cards, and not very good fakes?
A short while ago, Ralph had posted that he had spoke or emailed with Aria, or someone at Crazy Clowns. Is he, or someone else able to communicate with C.C.s and confirm if they had problems in their printing runs or not?
Since Crazy Clowns had a much smaller printing run then WoTC, then I would imagine that they would have been able to keep a much closer eye on the condition of their tokens.
With so many fakes appearing, and all of a sudden so many tokens coming out of Singapore, I would really have to question the validity of these tokens, and think some kind of confirmation with C.C.s should be made before too much discussion or thoughts are made on these tokens.

Hi Silver.
I have the Light and Dark Versions since the beginning,and the Cobra was One of the First Token that I get From Bob(And he got them through Jun Arai  ;))

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by Ralph Herold on Dec 22nd, 2003, 10:33pm


I have had a look at the sample scan which compares the dark and the light version (thank you, dragsamou). I tend to wait a little more until more precise statements  can be made about the extent of variations and the range of affected cards, but of course this information is supposed to be added. At the current point, I do not think a separate set of scans is needed, though.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by bigfatkitty on Dec 22nd, 2003, 10:41pm

Are we still taking about two different things or four.

Light Glossy Front
Dark Glossy Front
Light Glossy Back
Dark Glossy Back

Are all the Glossy backs Light?  That's the only thing I've seen.  All of my dark tokens have Glossy fronts.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Dec 22nd, 2003, 11:00pm


on 12/22/03 at 22:41:33, bigfatkitty wrote:
Are we still taking about two different things or four.

Light Glossy Front
Dark Glossy Front
Light Glossy Back
Dark Glossy Back

Are all the Glossy backs Light? That's the only thing I've seen. All of my dark tokens have Glossy fronts.

Hi Bigfatkitty.
For me,I only talk about the 2 Variations that I know of and that I have the ones from the 7th Series,since my
4 Tokens from the 6th are of the same type:
Light Glossy Front/Light Glossy Back.Cobra Left.
Dark Glossy Front/Dark Glossy Back.Cobra Right.
I can add extras scans,it will just show the same difference like the Cobra.Let me know,if you need extra
examples.Now does any members have others variations like:
Light Glossy Front/Dark Glossy Back.
Dark Glossy Front/Light Glossy Back.
Thanks for helping.


Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dry_cereal on Dec 22nd, 2003, 11:18pm

on the same note, at this one store I have noticed a bunch of revised cards without a glossy front or back.  Also, these cards' front colors are very faded and screwy.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by victorcamp on Dec 23rd, 2003, 12:32pm

Your description of Revised sounds like 99.9% of my Revised: very faded, washed out, and yucky! Of the 4,500 English-language Revised I have, perhaps less than a dozen have bright, distinct colors. Now those I might consider rarities. I always figured they were printed at a different plant outside the U.S., and my access to them was limited simply because of my central U.S. location.

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dry_cereal on Dec 23rd, 2003, 6:08pm

the ones I'm talking about are worse than normal ones.  The front feels not like normal revised cards.  the print is extra grainy.


Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Dec 23rd, 2003, 6:46pm


on 12/23/03 at 18:08:01, dry_cereal wrote:
the ones I'm talking about are worse than normal ones. The front feels not like normal revised cards. the print is extra grainy.

Hi Guys.
Please Respect the Topic which is about Crazy Clowns Tokens Not Revised Cards.Thanks. ;)

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by silver.paladin on Dec 24th, 2003, 3:59am

Okay, well this is a little off topic, but has anyone else noticed how many Angel tokens are on Ebay lately?  And right now there are a bunch also.  Wonder what percentage of them are for real   :D

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by dragsamou on Mar 15th, 2004, 4:45pm


on 12/24/03 at 03:59:22, silver.paladin wrote:
Okay, well this is a little off topic, but has anyone else noticed how many Angel tokens are on Ebay lately? And right now there are a bunch also. Wonder what percentage of them are for real :D

Hi Silver.
I can tell about the Beautiful Fake one that a French
guy shows me on Saturday,he did bought it on Ebay for
25$+Shipping,you should have seen his face after he gets the News  ::)

Title: Re: Crazy Clowns Tokens 6th and 7th Series
Post by silver.paladin on Mar 16th, 2004, 11:35pm


on 03/15/04 at 16:45:55, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Silver.
I can tell about the Beautiful Fake one that a French
guy shows me on Saturday,he did bought it on Ebay for
25$+Shipping,you should have seen his face after he gets the News ::)


HAHA, I could believe it, I am sure I had the same sort of look on my face when I was first looking at my so-called 5-Goblins token.  

I have been watching most of the Jun token auctions lately hoping to get my missing Goblin tokens (which is how I won my nice underpriced lot I emailed you about before), and now and then when I see an Angel being auctioned, I email the bidders and ask them if they know if they are real or fakes.  There are still a lot of Angel tokens appearing on Ebay, with majority of the sellers being Singapore, and lately even a seller from Italy that I would question.



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