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(Message started by: dragsamou on Jan 21st, 2004, 5:18pm)

Title: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by dragsamou on Jan 21st, 2004, 5:18pm

Hi Members.
Have a look at that ;D :o
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=218&item=3171082983

Ralph.
I have contacted the Seller to find out about this Imitation.I will probably get this Extra one as well ;) ;D

EDIT:Time for Bigfatkitty FakeMinagishiBusters :D ;D ;)

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by silver.paladin on Jan 21st, 2004, 5:58pm

I had noticed this seller's auctions last night, and was wondering myself if every single one of those cards will be fakes.
Its just amazing how many Minagishi's are appearing lately - though most of the sellers are normally from Singapore (hmm, wonder what percentage of those are fakes), and this guy is from Italy - so I am kind of betting all the cards are fakes, but the seller does not realize it - at least not with his rep.

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by sylvanstu on Jan 21st, 2004, 7:54pm

his rep sucks check his feedback ripping people off and returning alot of money

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by bigfatkitty on Jan 21st, 2004, 8:10pm


on 01/21/04 at 17:18:39, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Members.
Have a look at that ;D :o
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=218&item=3171082983

Ralph.
I have contacted the Seller to find out about this Imitation.I will probably get this Extra one as well ;) ;D

EDIT:Time for Bigfatkitty FakeMinagishiBusters :D ;D ;)


Could this be another case of a good seller turned bad?

He's had over 2000 positives and his feedback rating is over 98%.  This is the kind of guy I've taken a chance on in the past and have had success.  He seems to sell a lot of Pokeman and Italian Magic cards.  As far as that goes, I'm fine.

But these Minagishi's and one of them being a Wurm token.  I can't possibly believe they're real.  Maybe whatever dealer he's gotten his Pokeman product from has passed on some of the fake cards we've been seeing lately out of southeast Asia.  Who knows?

I for one am gonna pass.   :-/

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by bigfatkitty on Jan 21st, 2004, 8:11pm

If the Wurm token turns out to be real, I'll crap my pants.

(Oops!  Too late.   :-[ :-[ :-[)

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by rg on Jan 21st, 2004, 11:04pm

I recently bought my first :-[ Minagishi token:http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3168367405&category=19115&rd=1

As there are some experts here  ;) how do i know if it's a fake or not?

(I thought there had been a topic by bigfatkitty? but i can not find it.)

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by mintcollector on Jan 21st, 2004, 11:47pm


on 01/21/04 at 23:04:33, rg wrote:
I recently bought my first :-[ Minagishi token:http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3168367405&category=19115&rd=1

As there are some experts here  ;) how do i know if it's a fake or not?

(I thought there had been a topic by bigfatkitty? but i can not find it.)


I believe that thread was in regards to an eBay auction.  All those eBay threads got burned to a crisp by Ralph in the last round of thread deletions.

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by bigfatkitty on Jan 22nd, 2004, 12:12am


on 01/21/04 at 23:04:33, rg wrote:
I recently bought my first :-[ Minagishi token:http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3168367405&category=19115&rd=1

As there are some experts here ;) how do i know if it's a fake or not?

(I thought there had been a topic by bigfatkitty? but i can not find it.)


We can always go over it again.

You can't tell from the Ebay picture because most likely, it's an image from here.  Once you get it, you can scan a picture for us and if it's blatantly obvious we can tell.  The real test is looking at it in person, the feel of the card and the card stock, but that's true with most things.  

In the future, most of the fake Minagishi's I've run across have a Singapore origin.  That doesn't mean yours is bad but you never know.  

Also, the guy's rating is low (5) and only one of those comes from an actual sale.  At least if it is fake you only spent $6.   ;D

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by silver.paladin on Jan 22nd, 2004, 12:54am


on 01/21/04 at 23:04:33, rg wrote:
I recently bought my first :-[ Minagishi token:http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3168367405&category=19115&rd=1

As there are some experts here ;) how do i know if it's a fake or not?

(I thought there had been a topic by bigfatkitty? but i can not find it.)


I would agree in principle with FatKitty.  If the seller is from Singapore, the odds seem to be against you - you will be getting a fake.  
If you would have followed the Jun Ebay auctions over the past year or two, you will notice that the Jun auctions only came up every now and then.  For about the last 5-8 months, there have been hordes of Jun cards on Ebay, and I would say almost 95% are sellers from Singapore - don't even worry about other parts of Asia, Singapore is where they are all coming from it seems.
Angels seem to be the big market right now.  A few months ago, it was the 5-Goblins/Zombies that were being sold en-mass.

Myself, I stopped buying Minagishi tokens now, because you cannot tell if you are getting fakes or not just from the Ebay auctions - and Ebay/PayPal will refund you any money on a fake - less a $25 fee.  And seeing as how the majority of these cards are selling for less than that - you will not get any money back.

Personally, I would suggest you console yourself right now in thinking that you lost $6 + S&H - but, if somehow you end up with a real card - lucky you!   :D

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by rg on Jan 22nd, 2004, 1:43am

you are right $6 are no great loss :)

Small scan:
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Larger scan:
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Front: feels like high gloss postcard (alike french shop tokens)
back: dull, feels and looks like gameingetc tokens series 1
width: exactly like a normal magic card
hight: about 1mm longer than a normal magic card
thickness: exactly like normal magic card

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by bigfatkitty on Jan 22nd, 2004, 12:16pm

From the scan and description, I'd say this card looks real.   ;D

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by dragsamou on Jan 22nd, 2004, 12:43pm

I will agree with the Previous Expert  ;) Even if his Title is missing  :D

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by rg on Jan 22nd, 2004, 1:17pm

Thanks for your help!  :D

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI - More ?
Post by silver.paladin on Jan 22nd, 2004, 4:39pm

Wowzers - another 10 Angel tokens on Ebay, all being sold by one person located - where else - Singapore.

I am starting to wonder if it might be worth while finding someone with a good high quality printing press, and making a few sheets of this card myself to sell.
What is it? Approx 77 cards per sheet and Angels are selling for approx $40 each or higher - hmmm, over $3000 per sheet. Maybe this is how money is meant to be made on Ebay.

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI - More ?
Post by dragsamou on Jan 22nd, 2004, 4:59pm


on 01/22/04 at 16:39:23, silver.paladin wrote:
Wowzers - another 10 Angel tokens on Ebay, all being sold by one person located - where else - Singapore.

I am starting to wonder if it might be worth while finding someone with a good high quality printing press, and making a few sheets of this card myself to sell.
What is it? Approx 77 cards per sheet and Angels are selling for approx $40 each or higher - hmmm, over $3000 per sheet. Maybe this is how money is meant to be made on Ebay.

Hi Silver.
That's why so many Sellers are doing there own... $$$$
And it's not that we do not inform The MTG community about that Huge Fake Problem.

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI - More ?
Post by bigfatkitty on Jan 22nd, 2004, 8:17pm


on 01/22/04 at 16:59:34, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Silver.
That's why so many Sellers are doing there own... $$$$
And it's not that we do not inform The MTG community about that Huge Fake Problem.

But if the card stock, the gloss and the image is right, there's no telling anymore what a fake is.

I wouldn't say all the fakes are coming out of Singapore. One of the fake token guys I had dealt with said he got his from a supplier in Germany. Maybe this is how Ralph keeps this website going? ;) ;) ;)

And Drag, I've changed my Minagishi title to something more official.   ;D

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by dragsamou on Jan 23rd, 2004, 2:00pm

Hi Members.
Did find back that Post that I was looking for on the Old
Forum  :)
last updated at Sep 13, 2002 09:19 p.m. (1 times)
I recently got back from china and went to a card store there. They had sets of the stuff... in stock! I was just wondering if there existed any fake ones, cuz I bought 2 sets of the stuff. They fit just into a ultrapro sleeve with absoutly no excess plastic on top, super glossy, and have the "collector's Edition" back. Thanks.

Title: Re: FAKE MINAGISHI...THE WURM RETURN
Post by silver.paladin on Jan 23rd, 2004, 8:24pm


on 01/23/04 at 14:00:30, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Members.
Did find back that Post that I was looking for on the Old
Forum :)
last updated at Sep 13, 2002 09:19 p.m. (1 times)
I recently got back from china and went to a card store there. They had sets of the stuff... in stock! I was just wondering if there existed any fake ones, cuz I bought 2 sets of the stuff. They fit just into a ultrapro sleeve with absoutly no excess plastic on top, super glossy, and have the "collector's Edition" back. Thanks.


Sounds like my foil Goblin.  Super glossy and complete fit into the Ultra Pro sleeve - no excess space.

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by dragsamou on Mar 26th, 2004, 3:45pm

Hi Members.
Looks like the Never ending story but I have significant infos about the Second Wurm Token that I just get.
This One is definately Different has it have BROWN Borders  :o like the Test Prints but a Normal Collector's Edition Back.Colors also are not the same.That's a Real Mystery,since,the Seller told that he got them while he was hanging with Jun Minagishi Friends in Tokyo.As I mentioned before seeing this one,that they were imitations,I even offer him a Very Nice Reward if he could prove so,but the guy,didn't changed his story.
I do not know what to think anymore  ???


http://www1.monphotoservice.com/membre/album/index.cfm?alb_id=371363&cfid=5937555&cftoken=90291844

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by silver.paladin on Mar 26th, 2004, 3:59pm

Maybe if a proper address/phone # for one of the Minagishi's can be found, perhaps Macone can be persuaded to try to have a conversation with her/them, and then he can maybe find out what all the truths are??

Although, as a late modification to this after reading the next reply, I forgot Ralph had mentioned a few months ago that he had done this, and that is how it is known that its a fake.  So much magic information, and not able to remember what is what anymore!!   ???

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by Ralph Herold on Mar 26th, 2004, 4:16pm

I know from Arai Jin himself that the artwork of the Wurm Token is not from Jun Minagishi. Since he is her brother, his statement can be taken seriously.

Furthermore, I can confirm that the Wurm Token is not from Arai Jin, and he does not have a clue where it is from.

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by bigfatkitty on Mar 26th, 2004, 5:19pm


on 03/26/04 at 15:45:28, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Members.
Looks like the Never ending story but I have significant infos about the Second Wurm Token that I just get.
This One is definately Different has it have BROWN Borders :o like the Test Prints but a Normal Collector's Edition Back.Colors also are not the same.That's a Real Mystery,since,the Seller told that he got them while he was hanging with Jun Minagishi Friends in Tokyo.As I mentioned before seeing this one,that they were imitations,I even offer him a Very Nice Reward if he could prove so,but the guy,didn't changed his story.
I do not know what to think anymore ???


http://www1.monphotoservice.com/membre/album/index.cfm?alb_id=371363&cfid=5937555&cftoken=90291844
I got these new Wurms from a guy in Italy.  The color is the only difference.  He didn't have an explanation as to where he got them other than from 'some guy'.  I'm working on getting more if anyone is interested.   ;D

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by dry_cereal on Mar 26th, 2004, 9:12pm

how much does it cost?

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by Muldoon on Mar 26th, 2004, 9:21pm

Ya I'd like a price quote too, my friend collects wurms and he'd most likely want to buy one. Nice even though its fake ;D

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by bigfatkitty on Mar 26th, 2004, 9:23pm


on 03/26/04 at 21:21:49, Muldoon wrote:
Ya I'd like a price quote too, my friend collects wurms and he'd most likely want to buy one. Nice even though its fake ;D

I'm negotiating now.  And he seems to take a while to ship.  I'll post again when I know what and how many I have.   ;D

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by Charlie on Apr 2nd, 2004, 9:18am

The text on the Wurm token seem to be in different font from others. Though really can't tell if it's fake, it's made in high quality. And I still believe that the minagishis floating in the market these several months are real... Though I don't have one coming from 2 years ago to compare with

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by dragsamou on Apr 2nd, 2004, 9:26am


on 04/02/04 at 09:18:36, Charlie wrote:
And I still believe that the minagishis floating in the market these several months are real... Though I don't have one coming from 2 years ago to compare with

Hi Charlie.
The main problem is that 95% of the Tokens that you find on Ebay for the last 2 years are Fakes  ;)
Number One is the Angel  ;D

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by silver.paladin on Apr 2nd, 2004, 4:57pm

And as I have been noticing, the main sellers of cards are either from Singapore or Italy.  The YugiKing in Singapore I feel is all fakes, as he has been selling fistfulls of Minagishi tokens the past few weeks, including about a dozen 5-Goblin&Zombie tokens, and all are selling about $9.00.

This is not good, because it tarnishes all Singapore sellers.  I want a few tokens still, but I will not buy from any Singapore seller anymore, since they have so many fakes coming from there.

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by Charlie on Apr 3rd, 2004, 6:35pm


on 04/02/04 at 09:26:13, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Charlie.
The main problem is that 95% of the Tokens that you find on Ebay for the last 2 years are Fakes ;)
Number One is the Angel ;D


No way to tell if they're fake just from the image, and no way to tell if mine are fake  :-[

Title: Re: Fake Minagishi...The Wurm Return.
Post by bigfatkitty on Apr 3rd, 2004, 6:44pm

So...if I'm getting this all right, my "brown border" Wurm tokens are quite possible fake fakes.   :P

This just gets better and better.  I also have a "brown border" Ape and Cobra.  We'll see what else I end up getting.



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