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(Message started by: agzz on Feb 6th, 2005, 5:48pm)

Title: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by agzz on Feb 6th, 2005, 5:48pm

So, been a long time since i posted here, but i have been reading a little now and then.

well i was looking throug a bunch of my chinese Torment  searching for 4 deep analysis and i see Organ Grinder and think maby this art could have been alted.

sitting right by the comp looking up the card on wizards.com is faster this is what i get:
http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/torment/organ_grinder.jpg

YAY!! another AA to the collection! ..or is it?

could remember the bones and stuff so i got the irl card anyway and nope(!) non of my griders look like that!

Isnt that odd? wizards have art online that was not used on the cards?

anyone know anything of this?

cheers,
Peter ax

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by Ralph Herold on Feb 6th, 2005, 6:07pm

To the best of my knowledge, the card shown by the WotC autocard window does not exist. My assumption is that it shows the original art drawn by the artist and not the modified version used for the card, and WotC maybe changed the actual card look after they had created their autocard window images and forgot to adjust the change.

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by dragsamou on Feb 6th, 2005, 6:07pm

Hi Peter.
A Post was posted long time ago about this.The Original Art was supposed to be with bones,etc...But at the end,all the versions was altered.I will try to find back the old Post ;)
EDIT:Find it....And I still have the 10 French Organ  [smiley=laugh.gif]
http://www.flaminio.com/ub/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=1&TID=2370&SID=6454

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by monkeymadness on Feb 6th, 2005, 6:11pm

Ralph is correct (as usual ;)).  That art never saw print.  Here is an old Ask Wizards from December 2002 that explains it:

Q: "My friends and I noticed a weird thing on Bob Flaminio's Magic website regarding Torment's Organ Grinder (http://www.flaminio.com/temp/organ-grinder.htm). Some pictures used on the web and in magazines were different than the actual card. One has cool hanging skeletons, the other doesn't. Reminds me of the old Unholy Strength with and without the pentagram. Care to explain?"
--Seb, Holland

A: From Jeremy Cranford, Magic art director:
"We decided to alter the Organ Grinder art in 'post' for two reasons. The main reason is that we sell our product in China and they have requested that we do not show skeletons in our art. It is considered very disrespectful to show human skeletons in their culture. The second reason is that the Brand team has made a decision to keep Magic: The Gathering at a PG-13 gore level and some thought that all the hanging skeletons crossed the line. The art team really tries it's best to keep the card art as close to the originals as possible but sometimes things have to be altered when the Brand team feels that artist has crossed a line.

"The change was made so late that some media (including our own web team) had received the unaltered art already, and it showed up in various places."

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by agzz on Feb 6th, 2005, 7:04pm

there's a explanation to everything. :)

thanks

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by AXIOS on Feb 6th, 2005, 7:51pm


on 02/06/05 at 18:07:53, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Peter.
A Post was posted long time ago about this.The Original Art was supposed to be with bones,etc...But at the end,all the versions was altered.I will try to find back the old Post  ;)
EDIT:Find it....And I still have the 10 French Organ  [smiley=laugh.gif]
http://www.flaminio.com/ub/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=1&TID=2370&SID=6454

so you still have 10 french ones,

just as i said on the 29th oktober of 2002

i want one......

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by victorcamp on Feb 7th, 2005, 6:32pm

For the record, here's the card as released.

http://home.att.net/~victorgcs/images/OrganGrinder.jpg

Title: Re: Organ Grinder's picture
Post by mahdishain on Feb 7th, 2005, 7:29pm

greetings

the original art with the skeletons is available at daydream graphics if anyone wants to check it out.

mahdishain



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