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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #15 on: May 30th, 2005, 5:59pm »
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on May 30th, 2005, 5:51pm, AXIOS wrote:
thanx to France the Euro has dropped severly in value  Sad

Maybe more on Wednesday when the Dutch will vote  Sad
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #16 on: May 30th, 2005, 6:37pm »
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on May 30th, 2005, 5:59pm, dragsamou wrote:

Maybe more on Wednesday when the Dutch will vote  Sad

 
we just have to wait to buy something in the US.
Euro is only 1.25 dollar, lowest since 7 months
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #17 on: May 31st, 2005, 12:38am »
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on May 30th, 2005, 5:56pm, Celebrindor wrote:
Anyway, what is the EU planning on doing now that this new constitution has failed?

 
Because it was labelled as a public 'referendum', it can go back to a public vote again - but since so much of this vote was considered an anti-Chirac vote, I don't know if they would try taking this chance (a most likely wasted chance) again or wait until the government feels that there is a general public mood swing, and try to re-ratify it then.
 
Depending on how this constitution was done up, the French parliament could pass this with a vote of their own, thereby ignoring the public vote - however, as I said, depending on how this was set up in France, the public vote may be what is needed to ratify this.  Although I have a feeling that the French parliament can pass this on their own, and were making the vote public only to gauge public viewing on a large scale.
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #18 on: May 31st, 2005, 9:37am »
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on May 31st, 2005, 12:38am, silver.paladin wrote:

 
 
Depending on how this constitution was done up, the French parliament could pass this with a vote of their own, thereby ignoring the public vote scale.

Anytime they try do to so,we did have The Revolution and May 68  Wink  
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #19 on: May 31st, 2005, 3:18pm »
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on May 31st, 2005, 9:37am, dragsamou wrote:

Anytime they try do to so,we did have The Revolution and May 68  Wink  

 
Sure, but how many people are going to remember this, except for the older citizens?  Or, at least the students of '68.
The '60's were a time of revolt and public opposition to anything and everything.  Flower power and all all that   Grin
Going to get into your mini-van, paint it all up and peace man?   Cheesy
 
One thing you may have to recall, it was the French Communist Party that essentially ended insurection by discouraging the striking.  Also, this was the era of Vietnam, sexual freedoms and free love.  And in that City of Love, Oui Paris, the love has won   Cheesy
 
So, although people may (probably would) protest if the French parliament decided to ratify the constitution, I don't think things will get as bad as May 68.  There are more important issues right now, such as agriculture and trucking.
 
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #20 on: May 31st, 2005, 4:42pm »
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Uh, I'm not so sure. This country really looks like it only needs a spark to explode. Every single discontent is taken to its paroxysm:
 
- strikes plague the public services just to *prevent* changes to be made (id est, before said changes are even proposed);
 
- teens have been shutting schools down in protest, taking hostages and been consenquently *assaulted* by the police force and sent to trial;
 
- unemployed people have had to *sue the government* in order to keep their social advantages (money to find a new job);
 
- there is a violent riot in a southern city between minorities which has already cost several lives, and destroyed the inner city (all with shops and *hundreds* of cars). Civilians are calling for a mob-lynching of the perpetrators.
 
What's more, the latest presidential elections have given a crave for political/associative implications to a great deal of people (mainly young adults) who never voted before.
 
So I'd say this country doesn't need a political misbehaviour. Especially when there's no one to replace the current gov. (the opposition is non-existant).
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #21 on: May 31st, 2005, 9:12pm »
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on May 31st, 2005, 4:42pm, Jess wrote:
Uh, I'm not so sure. This country really looks like it only needs a spark to explode. Every single discontent is taken to its paroxysm:
 
- strikes plague the public services just to *prevent* changes to be made (id est, before said changes are even proposed);
 
- teens have been shutting schools down in protest, taking hostages and been consenquently *assaulted* by the police force and sent to trial;
 
- unemployed people have had to *sue the government* in order to keep their social advantages (money to find a new job);
 
- there is a violent riot in a southern city between minorities which has already cost several lives, and destroyed the inner city (all with shops and *hundreds* of cars). Civilians are calling for a mob-lynching of the perpetrators.
 
What's more, the latest presidential elections have given a crave for political/associative implications to a great deal of people (mainly young adults) who never voted before.
 
So I'd say this country doesn't need a political misbehaviour. Especially when there's no one to replace the current gov. (the opposition is non-existant).

American media sucks.  I haven't heard of any of this.
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #22 on: Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am »
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As with Celebrindor, the Canadian media has not mentioned any of these either.  Sacre Bleu!
 
I imagine the high unemployment rate is contributing to these problems (approx 25% from what I understand), so I can see the problems with the social programs.
However, with teens shutting down schools and taking hostages (really??), I would say go ahead officer, and whip the little S0Bs in public.  That kind of action is completely poor, stupid, and I really have to wonder where the parents are in all this to have their kids doing this.
Everything else, is hard to believe that is happening, though again, with the unemployment levels, and the flooding last year - I can imagine it is taking a toll on the citizens there (though I could never condone those student actions).
The ethnic problem, well, every country has those, though some can probably kind of hide it, but to hear it is exploding in Paris, well, that I can only think is a problem that has been building, and will ignite in other European countries also, if this problem does not resolved one way or another soon.
 
I think I am going to have to start reading some of the international papers online now - if Canadian and American media is not going to talk about it much.
 
One bright note though - can the Americans be blamed for this??    Grin
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #23 on: Jun 1st, 2005, 12:33am »
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on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
(approx 25% from what I understand)

I don't believe it was that bad.  They way I understood it, it was only the under-25 segment of the population that was that unemployed.
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Of course not.
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #24 on: Jun 1st, 2005, 1:39am »
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on May 31st, 2005, 4:42pm, Jess wrote:
Uh, I'm not so sure. This country really looks like it only needs a spark to explode. Every single discontent is taken to its paroxysm:
 
- strikes plague the public services just to *prevent* changes to be made (id est, before said changes are even proposed);
 
- teens have been shutting schools down in protest, taking hostages and been consenquently *assaulted* by the police force and sent to trial;
 
- unemployed people have had to *sue the government* in order to keep their social advantages (money to find a new job);
 
- there is a violent riot in a southern city between minorities which has already cost several lives, and destroyed the inner city (all with shops and *hundreds* of cars). Civilians are calling for a mob-lynching of the perpetrators.
 
What's more, the latest presidential elections have given a crave for political/associative implications to a great deal of people (mainly young adults) who never voted before.
 
So I'd say this country doesn't need a political misbehaviour. Especially when there's no one to replace the current gov. (the opposition is non-existant).

 
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #25 on: Jun 1st, 2005, 10:21am »
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on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
However, with teens shutting down schools and taking hostages (really??), I would say go ahead officer, and whip the little S0Bs in public.  That kind of action is completely poor, stupid, and I really have to wonder where the parents are in all this to have their kids doing this.

Hi Chris.
I'm one of this parent as my Son is in one of the School that was on the News from the last 3 Monthes.I will wonder how you will feel if you will see your daughter
or son of 16 years beaten to blood by 3 or 4 Cops and this on direct live on the TV.Over 100 Cases of Strong Violence against Students are in the Hand of Justice,and  
the Parliament has ordered a Commission.The actions of Students was Totally Right,but nobody pay attention to their revendications,and the Government Impose One more Chaotic Education law by Force.Few days ago some Unhappy workers broke for 12 Millions Euros of materials in a Train Station,the police didn't do nothing,it's always more easy to kick and beat 16 Years old Girls and boys than strong adults  Angry To Finish,we have a 40% Raise in Cop Violence,due to to the "Repression" Politic of the actual government.I'm sure,you'll understand better that if this happens again,Parents will be next to their kids to protect them from Cop Brutality,and that could lead easily to a Very Bad time...Civilian against Government forces.And I tell you straight as a Father nothing is more Important than
the protection of my family.
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
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on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
I imagine the high unemployment rate is contributing to these problems (approx 25% from what I understand), so I can see the problems with the social programs.

The gov. claims the unemployment rate to be at 10%, but yes, I guess it's rather 25% for some segments of the population (as said before).
 
on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
However, with teens shutting down schools and taking hostages (really??), I would say go ahead officer, and whip the little S0Bs in public.

Well, it never sounds *that* bad on TV, lol. Every new gov. tries to apply changes to scooling programs, and each and every time teachers go on strike and pupils as well (mainly our "lycéens", age between 16 and 18.). This time it was because they proposed to have the final school exam based on multiple grades over the years rather than a simple exam. It caused a major uproar, with tens of thousands marching in Paris (*and* being assaulted by minorities youngsters in the process, with no protection from the eyewitnessing police), and later closing some highschools portals, preventing teachers from doing their jobs, booing other pupils and such. The "hostages" part was minor (one school? one afternoon?) but, well, it shows some things are changing (and not for the best).
 
on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
With the unemployment levels, and the flooding last year - I can imagine it is taking a toll on the citizens there.

The flooding had no incidence whatsoever on any social level. It happened in quite remote parts of the country, if I remember correctly, and touched only few people.
 
on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
The ethnic problem, well, every country has those, though some can probably kind of hide it, but to hear it is exploding in Paris, well, that I can only think is a problem that has been building, and will ignite in other European countries also, if this problem does not resolved one way or another soon.

Err... I mentioned a Southern city, Paris is in the North of France Smiley But yes, it will be an issue during the years to come, and not only to us in France.
 
on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
I think I am going to have to start reading some of the international papers online now - if Canadian and American media is not going to talk about it much.

Heh, nothing to lose, I'd say Wink
 
on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:25am, silver.paladin wrote:
One bright note though - can the Americans be blamed for this??    Grin

I'm sure we can come up with something about this. Any CIA member on vacation last year around our Southern rivers?  Grin
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NETHERLANDS:
 
63% NO, 37% YES.
 
Netherlands have also voted no........................!
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on Jun 1st, 2005, 9:02pm, AXIOS wrote:
NETHERLANDS:
 
63% NO, 37% YES.
 
Netherlands have also voted no........................!

63%  Shocked Shocked
8% more than in France (54,86%)  Shocked
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