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(Message started by: stu55 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:40am)

Title: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by stu55 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:40am

Ok, some questions:

1) Basic price of Land, Commons, Uncommons, and Rares I should expect to pay

2) How many sets are possible.

3) Are there any complete sets already?

4) Any other advice some one can offer?

I want to average 100 cards a year for 3 years to finish the set, starting on Jan 1st, 2005 and ending Dec 31st 2008. Let me know about any help.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by Muldoon on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:44am

1) Land: $20-30, commons ~$25, uncommons $40-60, rares $300+
2) Currently estimating around 15 sets possible.
3) According to some forum member(s?), 5 or 6 sets are currently complete, and in existance.
4) Have a well paid job ;) Full set: nearly $100,000 if bought in singles ;)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:45am

1.) Lands go for around 20-30, same for commons. Uncommons can go for around 50-100, and rares for several hundred. Also, good commons (Llanowar Elves, for example, also go for over $100)

2.) We think (we don't know) anywhere between 7-15, or so (correct me if wrong, guys)

3.) Two, I believe

4.) Advice: hmmm... be prepared to spend A LOT. I am also looking to make a set, and on my current budget, cannot aford most of the cards. Also, talk to the summer collectors on the site, they might have extras (wish I'd thought of that for my set ;D ;D)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:46am

at least we are in agreement, Muldoon! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by hammr7 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:47am

Is this really news? Or would it be better placed in the trading or off-topic forum threads?

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 5:49am

I think probably off-topic. After all, people have bugged me so many times about this ;)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by jamesbond on Aug 19^th, 2004, 9:56am

1) basic land : 25$, commons 65 between 20 and 50, 10 near or over than 100$ (ligtning bolt llanowar elves prodigal sorcerer dark ritual skeletons....), uncommuns, between 50 and 2000$ i think (like huricane, serra angel...), rares between 300$ and 4000$.

2) i think that 2 or 3 complete set are possible but maybe not in the next 3 years...

3) yes they are already complete sets, 3 is a minimum, but probably 5 or a little more

4)if you really want a complete set in 3 years, you MUST buy near all rares you see not depending of the price (but not too much too). they is a point where i don't agree Muldoon, i think a complete set should cost more than 100 000$, near than 150 000$ remeber that they are 110 rares with dual lands, birds, wrath, armagueddon serendib efreet (with the good color).....

good luck to do it, i think it's a real challenge ;)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by Erl00 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 10:18am

1) Prices have significantly increased recently ....
Basic Lands: $25-30, easy to get.
Commons: $20-50 for most of them, $80-250 for the best ones. With strong motivation, a full common set could be put together in a year and a half
Uncommons: from $40-60 for the crappy ones, to $300-600 for cards such as StP, Counterspell, Hypnotic, etc. and $1200-2500 for the Tutor, Serra and Hurricane.
I'm screening eBay everyday for Summer Magic since about 3 years and I yet have to see some uncos.
Rares: between $300 and $6,500 (Serendib). Each of them is a real Challenge to find.

2) A little bit more than 10 sets I think

3) Yes, I only know of one. But I know other pretty large collections.

4) Advice? Build very very good connections to find the Summer cards that don't surface on eBay and do NOT miss ANY opportunity, especially for the rares. When you find one, you can't know if you'll ever find another copy.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by Ralph Herold on Aug 19^th, 2004, 12:54pm

stu55: I do not wish to sound too negative, but your chances to collect a full set are next to none. Even with all the money in the world at your disposal, you have to actually find the cards and convince their owners to let them go. And this is sometimes impossible, as some people, especially rich collectors, do not give their cards away, period. If you really wish to collect these cards, my advise will be to find somebody who already has about half a set and start from there.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by fvzappa on Aug 19^th, 2004, 7:47pm

It's borderline crazy at this point. Over 300 cards, each one a pain to find. Let's do some math, shall we?

100ish commons, averaging about $40= $4,000
100ish uncommons, averaging about $120 (remember, three cards alone throw off that average)=$12,000
100ish rares, averaging $600=$60,000

These estimates are LOW, believe me. As someone who is crazy enough to collect these, I can tell you it is frustrating. EVERYONE seems to think they can do it, but I know of no one who has completed a set in the past 4 years. Five, to my knowledge, exist.

Open up your wallet, & never pass up a rare you see.

Find a different set to complete. For instance, I am going for a complete set of Ice Age & Alliances miscuts. It's a pain, but it is more unique, & people are a bit more cooperative in getting rid of theirs, since I am the only one I've ever heard of doing this.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 7:51pm

My budget puts most of the rares out my reach for the time being, but as I said in a previous post, if it takes 20 years, I will finish a set!

...and yes, I am crazy - I admit it :D

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by Muldoon on Aug 19^th, 2004, 8:11pm

I'm happy enough if i finish my "set" of summer Mark Poole cards, and get :o 9 :o dragon whelps ;)
Ralph is probably correct though, it's not really going to work out getting the complete set without a good deal of luck, and buying other people's collections.
The past half year or so that I've been monitoring summer magic sales, I've seen perhaps 30-35 rares, ~50 uncommons, and most commons. And that's with a $20-$30k price tag ;)
If you win the lottery, go for it, if you want to get it complete without spending more than a few hundred bucks a month, forget it :-X

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 8:13pm

Well, I'm still in college, so I'll have a lot more money in a few years.......

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by psrex on Aug 19^th, 2004, 8:23pm

Hah, hah, hah!!! That's what I thought too at one time, but getting married, buying a house and having kids changes that. It turns out that I would have been much better off trading and buying Magic when I was in college.

Now I think that I'll have the money to seriously collect Magic when I retire. Until then I'll keep buying and selling collections and keep what's interesting out of that.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by mintcollector on Aug 19^th, 2004, 11:21pm

on 08/19/04 at 20:23:15, psrex wrote:

Well you have money until you get married, buy a house, and have kids. That is when I bought most of my cards. Having a only a few left to get after I was married allowed me to persuade the wife.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 11:29pm

on 08/19/04 at 23:21:38, mintcollector wrote:

Well you have money until you get married, buy a house, and have kids. That is when I bought most of my cards. Having a only a few left to get after I was married allowed me to persuade the wife.

*note to self*
finish summer magic set before getting maried ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by squt on Aug 19^th, 2004, 11:36pm

My goodness...I had a lot of trouble finishing a NM BETA set just a few months ago, I can't imagine the pain of trying to do it for a set that is even more rare.

And let's not forget that the summer hurricane is going for THOUSANDS of dollars, and you would have to get one to have a complete set.

Squt

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 19^th, 2004, 11:39pm

yeah, i know its going for 1000s. I plan to buy my NM Beta set whole (I've seen them on eBay for 4000, and 8000, at different times)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by psrex on Aug 19^th, 2004, 11:55pm

Speaking of Summer Magic sets, did someone here just buy out Troll and Toad's supply? :o

The did have a NM/Mint Serendib Efreet for $6500, which I was going to point out as the most expensive card in the set, but it's gone now. The did have a very good selection of Summer, but now all that I can find there is a Glasses of Urza and a Psychic Venom.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by van8888 on Aug 20^th, 2004, 12:18am

someone said that they took them all to GenCon to try to sell them.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by James_Hetfield2 on Aug 20^th, 2004, 12:30am

on 08/19/04 at 23:55:44, psrex wrote:

Yeah when ever there is a big event like gencon, they take some of their better cards off the web site and try to sell them at the event. More than likely the cards will be back on the site, in a week or so.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by giediprime41 on Aug 20^th, 2004, 12:58pm

Great!, that's all we need is another person trying to collect summer magic. ;D
One more person in the ebay bid wars. :(
Trust me, there are other sets to collect before you try to climb this mountain.
With more new people trying to collect these cards every day, and half of the people on this forum being summer collectors themselves.
Not to mention people like kikta1 and curt_heiden always jacking up all the rare prices. >:(
I hope your pockets are deep. ;)

I've spent thousands of dollars on my summer cards, and i'm not even near to a complete set.
And it's getting harder to find the cards i need as time goes on.
I see less and less that i need on ebay, and i'm only trying to collect one of each card.
My opinion, go collect Fallen Empires, now that was a set! ;D ;D :-/
Darren

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by Erl00 on Aug 20^th, 2004, 1:10pm

on 08/20/04 at 12:58:14, giediprime41 wrote:

Not to mention people like kikta1 and curt_heiden always jacking up all the rare prices. >:(

Speaking about those two, have a look at this :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19115&item=5915276480&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

$810 for a crap rare in this condition is about 4 times the price it would have fetched 1.5 years ago.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by Muldoon on Aug 20^th, 2004, 1:34pm

EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A PLAYED DEMONIC ATTORNEY :o :o :o :o :o
Did kikta rob a bank or something? :-X ??? ::) ;D
Glad curt_heiden made kikta pay some extra though ;)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by mintcollector on Aug 20^th, 2004, 7:13pm

on 08/19/04 at 23:55:44, psrex wrote:

IMO...Troll and Toad is going in the crapper since Jim left.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by giediprime41 on Aug 21^st, 2004, 1:09am

on 08/20/04 at 19:13:08, mintcollector wrote:

IMO...Troll and Toad is going in the crapper since Jim left.

I,ve bought cards from them after Jims departure, it took three weeks to get my cards. >:(
And it was summer cards worth over five hundred dollars.
You'd think they would try to speed up an order like that. :-/
Darren

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by TerraFrost on Aug 21^st, 2004, 1:23am

for those seeking to aquire a complete set, might it just be easier to offer a lot of money for an already completed set? Like, I dunno... a quarter of a million dollars should probably do the trick, and might be a lot less heart ache (well, if you have the money, heh)

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by johnstown713 on Aug 21^st, 2004, 7:23am

But that takes out from the coolness and satisfaction of knowing you did it while everyone else failed.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by dragsamou on Aug 21^st, 2004, 9:41am

Hi Members.
If someone has a Full Set to sell,let me know ;) ;D

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by inca911 on Aug 22^nd, 2004, 3:21pm

on 08/21/04 at 07:23:46, johnstown713 wrote:

But that takes out from the coolness and satisfaction of knowing you did it while everyone else failed.

The thrill of chasing down and acquiring cards is the best part of collecting for me too.

Title: Re: Thinking of Starting Summer Magic Set
Post by AXIOS on Aug 22^nd, 2004, 10:41pm

on 08/22/04 at 15:21:32, inca911 wrote:

The thrill of chasing down and acquiring cards is the best part of collecting for me too.

don't you have a full set forrest?