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French Poll about European Constitution
« on: May 29th, 2005, 10:08pm »
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Hi Members.
So far,The NO has win 54/55%.Typically French  Roll Eyes
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #1 on: May 29th, 2005, 10:13pm »
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Well, that's it then.
When the French say no, the rest of Europe will be no.
 
Viva la France!!!
 
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Marchons, marchons !
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #2 on: May 29th, 2005, 10:37pm »
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on May 29th, 2005, 10:08pm, dragsamou wrote:
Hi Members.
So far,The NO has win 54/55%.Typically French Roll Eyes

 
Are you saying the NO(non) side leads the YES(oui) side 54 to 55?  
That adds up to 109%
Typically French  Roll Eyes
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #3 on: May 29th, 2005, 11:01pm »
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dragsamou: What are the reasons the French vote no? In Germany, not only no public vote is held, but the whole topic is covered sparsely in the media. Typically German?
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #4 on: May 30th, 2005, 12:08am »
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on May 29th, 2005, 11:01pm, Ralph Herold wrote:
dragsamou: What are the reasons the French vote no? In Germany, not only no public vote is held, but the whole topic is covered sparsely in the media. Typically German?

Ironically enough, I know a bit about this (there wasn't much to do in work today, so I got paid to read a "USA Today" for about an hour.)  Here is a link to the exact article I read:
 
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-05-27-referendum_x.htm
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #5 on: May 30th, 2005, 12:46am »
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on May 29th, 2005, 11:01pm, Ralph Herold wrote:
dragsamou: What are the reasons the French vote no? In Germany, not only no public vote is held, but the whole topic is covered sparsely in the media. Typically German?

Although the article listed above does give some good in-depth information as to why the French voted the way they did, part of the reason this is sparsely covered by the German media, is that the French vote was a vote by the people. 9 of the 25 member union have already previously voted on this, and most of them voted in a parliamentary vote, including Germany (already voted for by Austria, Hungary, Italy, Germany, Greece, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain).
The Netherland vote is coming up soon, Wednesday I believe, and this vote will also be by the people (not by the Dutch parliament), so perhaps Axios is able to give some detail or idea what is happening there.
 
Although Germany voted May 12, here is an article just before the Bundestag vote.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/11/news/union.php
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #6 on: May 30th, 2005, 3:21am »
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Celebrindor: Funny, if you change the names and locations, the article could be written about Germany instead without problem.
 
silver.paladin: I know our government has voted instead of the civilians. Nonetheless, the whole topic of this new constitution is fairly underrepresented in the German media compared to its significance. By the way, it is interesting to see that the reason why French people vote against the constitution apparently has not much to do with the constitution itself, but rather with the general situation caused by the rapid growth of the EU. I believe this is why Germany has decided not to do a public vote. People would give the right answer to the wrong question.
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #7 on: May 30th, 2005, 4:28am »
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This biggest problem I have with the EU Constitution myself, is that I do not know enough about it.  Since it does not 'directly' affect me, I have never paid that much serious attention to it - though I am starting to think I should learn more about it.  The whole EU is not just a European policy/politics, but is and will be international in the way it operates, and the direction it goes in the future, can directly affect things here in Canada, and elsewhere.
By my limited understanding so far, this Constitution is not going to change anything, rather, it will just ratify what is already happening.  And some aspects of it, such as the equality of labour, must be a very scary subject, once more people learn about it, since you have the western members of the EU have been earning a much higher standard of living (wages) than the eastern members - and with the already high levels of unemployment in countries such as Germany, Austria and France ... well, I can see a number of employment opportunities disappearing for the inhabitants of the western countries, because the eastern members are willing to do the same work for less wages.  Less wages as far as a westerner is concerned, but higher wages than the easterners are used to.  And of course, for most companies and corporations, the bottom line is the most important, so if they can reduce costs, then they will.  A lot of SW US states have experienced this already with Mexico, and though it is not as bad as it once was 10-15 years ago, there are still a number of jobs in states like California and Texas, that are filled prominently with Mexicans (such as office cleaning and underground construction projects).
 
Its just a way of life, and part of the politics of the world. Countries like Amsterdam and France may not like this new direction, and might do what they can to delay this, but unfortunately (or fortunately depending on ones point of view), delay is all that is going to happen.  The world is moving to a global economy, and the best way to delay it right now is to create blocs.
 
North America has had NAFTA for the past 15 years (North American Free Trade Agreement), and though some people/countries win and some lose, the net effect is that everyone is winning.  The EU bloc was created to try to obtain some of the same benefits that were found with NAFTA.  Europe is in the growing stages of this new economy, whereas North America is in a more mature level.  As well, the African Community is creating its own bloc, the middle east sort of has a bloc of its own, and now the future is if/when the Far East creates its own - with the levels of distrust between Japan and China and Japan and Philipines as an example - it could be quite a long time yet before these countries are able and willing to band together.
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #8 on: May 30th, 2005, 5:34am »
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on May 30th, 2005, 4:28am, silver.paladin wrote:
(...) Countries like Amsterdam and France(...)

 
Oh really? Republic of Amsterdam? (sorry, it's very latge here, and i HAD to quote this Tongue)
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« Reply #9 on: May 30th, 2005, 6:10am »
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on May 30th, 2005, 5:34am, Mr.C wrote:

 
Oh really? Republic of Amsterdam? (sorry, it's very latge here, and i HAD to quote this Tongue)

 
Even funnier  Cheesy  I caught myself make that mistake, and I must have fixed it, by making it again!!  
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« Reply #10 on: May 30th, 2005, 8:32am »
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1st of june we have to vote.
Do you know what is severly affecting our votes?
 
That the French have voted no, and the outcome of the European Songcontest  Shocked
 
We had the best song and almost all of the countries that went to the finals were Eastern European countries.
They all voted for each other, how bad there songs were.
They left the better countries (Netherlands, Ireland and a couple more) out of points, just because the Eastern countries wanted to suck up to each other  Sad
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #11 on: May 30th, 2005, 9:12am »
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on May 29th, 2005, 11:01pm, Ralph Herold wrote:
dragsamou: What are the reasons the French vote no? In Germany, not only no public vote is held, but the whole topic is covered sparsely in the media. Typically German?

Hi Ralph.
One of the main reason France says NO is because of One of the Worst Government we have for years,and Opposition is not better.French people do not thrust anymore politicians.Also,for Members to understand almost 72% of the French People are for Europe but against that particular treaty(I believe than less than 5% could understand it anyway,as it was so complex)
There was over 70% of people Voting,a very high score
showing the interest about that referendum.At least this vote shows what the People Really want and not for one time something imposed by laws,Politicians,
Parliaments,etc...The direct consequence of that situation,is a New First Minister and changing few faces
at the government to practice exactely the same crap  Grin
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #12 on: May 30th, 2005, 1:49pm »
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on May 30th, 2005, 8:32am, AXIOS wrote:
1st of june we have to vote.
Do you know what is severly affecting our votes?

Hasn't it already failed since all of the countries have to approve it, and France didn't?
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« Reply #13 on: May 30th, 2005, 5:51pm »
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thanx to France the Euro has dropped severly in value  Sad
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Re: French Poll about European Constitution
« Reply #14 on: May 30th, 2005, 5:56pm »
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on May 30th, 2005, 5:51pm, AXIOS wrote:
thanx to France the Euro has dropped severly in value Sad

Yes, I noticed.  $1 = ~.8E, up about ~.03E from last week.  Wish i'd held off a few days on buying those Euro land packs from that dutch site...
 
Anyway, what is the EU planning on doing now that this new constitution has failed?
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